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Love masjid me paimane chhalke - 7th August 2004, 10:02 AM

Masjid me paimane chhalke


E uper waale tere dar per aayen hain dewaane chalke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke
Baahon ko baahon me daale aayi hai rindon ki toli
Aaj baadal se may barsegi,naachenge dewaane jumke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke

Na jaane kitna he chalker hum jaate hain maykhaano tak
Ek wo din bhee aayega humtak aayenge maykhaane chalke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke

Kale neele hare gulaabi,jeevan hai rango ki maala
E jeevan tujhme rang to hain per may ke bina hain halke halke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke

Ek payaala gum ki khaatir ek payala hizr ki dawa hai
Jeevan phir shaklen badlega,mausam phir aayenge badalke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke

E khuda tu humse haath mila le,humari tarah do jaam laga le
Tu bhee gut me shaamil ho jaa,naachenge phir saare milke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke


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6th September 2004, 04:37 PM

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hiii mate - 12th September 2004, 10:59 PM

i wrote many shayri's on sharaab but i guess i did'nt get any replly for those.... nice to see you there
thankx for repllying mate
you keep reading i will keepwriteing
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18th September 2004, 06:54 AM

nice post...

*Zahid sharaab peenay day Masjid main beth kar
yaan koi aisi jaga bata day jahan Khuda nahi...

*Zahid=ebadaat karnaywala


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2nd November 2004, 02:30 AM

Dear Karan,

first of all hi, and how are you? its been long since i've been to shayri.com.

First of all, your last stanza, was very desturbing to me, but yet different and challenging!! khuda to keh rahe ko ke tumhare saath jaam piye!! wah!! himatt ki dag deni padengi tumko!!

aur yeh baat bhi humen pasand aayi.....

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Na jaane kitna he chalker hum jaate hain maykhaano tak
Ek wo din bhee aayega humtak aayenge maykhaane chalke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke
wah wah wah!! kya baat kahi hai!! ek din mehkhane aayenge chalke....

i really like this shayri!! I don't come too often in the sharab section, but I'm glad I did today!!

anywayz, you take care & c-ya around!~

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Re: masjid me paimane chhalke - 2nd November 2004, 12:24 PM

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Masjid me paimane chhalke


E uper waale tere dar per aayen hain dewaane chalke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke
Baahon ko baahon me daale aayi hai rindon ki toli
Aaj baadal se may barsegi,naachenge dewaane jumke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke

Na jaane kitna he chalker hum jaate hain maykhaano tak
Ek wo din bhee aayega humtak aayenge maykhaane chalke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke

Kale neele hare gulaabi,jeevan hai rango ki maala
E jeevan tujhme rang to hain per may ke bina hain halke halke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke

Ek payaala gum ki khaatir ek payala hizr ki dawa hai
Jeevan phir shaklen badlega,mausam phir aayenge badalke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke

E khuda tu humse haath mila le,humari tarah do jaam laga le
Tu bhee gut me shaamil ho jaa,naachenge phir saare milke
Gurudware me saji mehfilen,masjid me paimane chhalke


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hi - 7th November 2004, 06:34 PM

hi karan

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nice poem

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dAAD AAPKI DAAD KI - 1st January 2005, 03:18 PM

hII MATE'S TODAY I HERE HERE AFTER SO LONG
ISSLIYE PATA HE NAHI THAA KI ITNE REPLLY'S MIL GAYE SHARAAB SECTION ME.. I M REALLY GLAD
fIRST OF ALL TULSIKA... kAHAAN GUM HO GAYI TUM
sHAYAD WE MET FOR THE LAST TIME IN DEKHO DEKHO LADKIYON KI ADAAYEN... USSKE BAAD MULAQAAT NAHI HUI.. STILL KEEP COMING I LIKE IT WHEN SOMEONE WHO KNOWS EMOTIONS VERY WELL...DO COMMENT ON MY POERTYS,

SACCHA PYAR.. WELL DEAR AAPNE JO KAHA BILCHUL THEEK KAHA... I DON'T DRINK INFACT NEVER DRUNK BUT SOMEONE ASKED ME TO WRITE SOMETHING ON SHARAAB.. BEFORE THIS TOO I'VE POSTED 4 OR 5 POST ON SHARAAB..IN SHARAAB SECTION BUT WHILE WRITING THIS POERTY I WAS REALLY IN MASTI SO i DID MADE MISTAKE'S BUT AGAIN I WOULD SAY..
kARAN GALTIYAAN ISSLIYE KARTA HAI
KE KAHEEN WO KHUDA NA HO JAAYE
kEEP WRITING .... I LIKE YOUR COMPANY

ROMANA...AAPKO BHEE EK ARSE BAAD DEKHA,DEKH KER ACCHA LAGA
SHAYAD HUMARI POETRYS AAPKO RAAS NAHI AATI.. ISSLIYE AAP JYADA HUMARI MEHFIL ME AAYA NAHI KERTE

DUAAON KE SAATH IZZAJAT.. EVERYBODY ..
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hi - 12th January 2005, 10:15 PM

hi karan

i m neha

romana ne kaha the ke aapse kaho ke tum pagal ho kiya.

tumhaari poetry bhut achi hai aur jo cheez zindagi ko maqsad de vo buri nahi hoti. har likhne waala khud ko shayar kehta hai ya patarkaar par dil ki awaaz sunne wale shayar likhte to hai par post karne se darte hai ke kisi ko pasand aaygi ya nahi. tumhaari poetry bhut achi hai and keep on writing

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welcome in the party - 12th January 2005, 11:35 PM

Hi neha....
youn to tumhe pehle bhee kabhee kabhee apni mehfil me dekha hai... lekin utna bhee nahi... jitni hum umeed kerte hain.. khair
humne jo likha aapko achha laga.. ye jaan ker hume accha laga
iss baar bin bulaye aana
hume intzaar rahega
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Thumbs up Wha Kya Baat Hai - 13th January 2005, 02:30 PM

karan jee

i am arun.
me saraab to nahin pita...
par use nase ko pasand jaroor karta hoon...
ab aap sochege ki bina piye nasa kaise.
kabhi unko dekhke kho jaate hain , kabhi na dekhkar hosh kho bethte hain..
par aaj
aapki shayri ne ek baar mujhe wo nasa diya bina piye.

i have no word to praising your poetry.

aise he likhte raha kijeye.

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Aap aaye janaab barso me - 13th January 2005, 07:57 PM

jagjeet singh ji ki ghazal hai
aap aaye janaab barso me
humne pee hai sharaab barso me
Khair Bina piye jo pee lete hain wo rind bhee khoob hote hai
E rind tujhko salaam
Khair Arun .. tumhare jaisee rind to hum bhee hain
Hum nahi peete nazron se .. na he paimaano me
Phir bhee nashe me rehte hain
Nasha gum hai.. or nasha hum hain
Pehli baar aaye ho .. magar khyaal rahe
Dubara bulane ki jaroorat nahi rahe
apne aap aate jaate rehna
Mil ker phir jaam lagayenge shayri ke
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2nd February 2005, 06:22 PM

Dear Karan,
I hope you will take this in the right spirit. Frankly, I'm surprised that the moderator permitted such blasphemy on this forum. There is a limit to poetic licence which you must note. To my mind, the line "Mandir mein saji mehfilen, mandir mein paimaane chhalkey" rhymes just as well as compared to what you have used. And it makes the whole thing more factual. Don't we have sharaab being offered to the deities in certain temples? Don't we see bhang being taken in Shiva temples as part of the oblations?

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3rd February 2005, 10:38 AM

Hi Karan and others who had answered,
I wonder why the feelings are taken in wrong way. Well not focussing on any relegion, as per the knowledge I have god is not locall to place of worship alone. So infact the rhyming uses one way or the other it does not matter.
In my personal views it is not blasphemy in any way, I await for the awakening when the differences of places are lost and the enlightened life is led where the omni presence of god is understood.

Hope not to trigger any relegion based talks, I take the words Gurudwara and Masjid just as places of worship no different than a church or an temple.

Enlightenment is the ultimate Nasha of all.

My hearty congrats for the writer who is able to think beyond the limitedness.

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Fools think alike! - 3rd February 2005, 11:26 AM

Dear Shadow,

How “wonderful” to know your thoughts! Are you sure it is not blasphemous to invite God to your “mehfils”? Are you sure it is not wrong to relate “paimaane” with masjid, knowing fully well that drinking is not permitted in Islam, be it in the masjid or anywhere in the whole wide world? As I said, poetic licence should not be stretched too far. Otherwise, nothing prevents me or anybody else from writing on something like (which may not be real), say, something on your mother’s sexual escapades with other men!

Will you like such “daring”, “unlimited”, shayri on this forum?

Even poetry needs to be realistic and factual to make sense.

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Re: Fools think alike! - 3rd February 2005, 11:51 AM

Hello Mr. Shaukat Khan,
Since you have addressed this to me, I think it is responsible to put forward what i meant in clear sense.

Your provoking words are by itself an Irony to what you told, that is to maintain decorum of the forum.
I had clearly quoted that the words represent to me just the presence of god and nothing else.
With respect I would like to say that god is definition of one self and not an generalization. As words are understood by different people in different ways, also same person in due course of life have different understanding.
I have no intention to change your opinion nor hurt your feelings. I respect your parents as i respect mine and your relegion as mine. And mother is the first god for me.
I would only like to re iterate that "God is personal not general" so i would like my god to be with me no matter what circumstance/state I am in. Hence this poetry is completely legal for me and do not expect you to respect it nor change your views.
Beliefs change dear sir, lets hope some day we meet at our mutual goal that is getting the god....


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How “wonderful” to know your thoughts! Are you sure it is not blasphemous to invite God to your “mehfils”? Are you sure it is not wrong to relate “paimaane” with masjid, knowing fully well that drinking is not permitted in Islam, be it in the masjid or anywhere in the whole wide world? As I said, poetic licence should not be stretched too far. Otherwise, nothing prevents me or anybody else from writing on something like (which may not be real), say, something on your mother’s sexual escapades with other men!

Will you like such “daring”, “unlimited”, shayri on this forum?

Even poetry needs to be realistic and factual to make sense.

Trust the matter stands cleared.


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Have a life, man - 3rd February 2005, 12:41 PM

Dear Shadow,

The so-called provocation from my side was only in response to your brazenness in defending your earlier statements.

I think you are confused and lost just as most poets are. How can I understand that God is as defined by oneself? Do you mean to say that there are many “Gods”, each with his own special characteristics? And when you say, “I want my God to be with me in whatever state I am in”, do you mean to say that God should accompany you to the maikhaana also, maybe to your wife’s bed also? If God were to do the same mundane, worldly and sometimes undesirable and immoral things done by Man, how would that entity deserve to be called “God”?

I think you have not had your “pauva” in the morning. Hence your illogical statements! Take a good long swig from your paimaana, relax and give up all pretensions of trying to talk sense. It doesn’t suit you.

Have a life, man. Visit the masjid once. It will change your life.


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3rd February 2005, 12:51 PM

Dear Sir,
As I had specified I do not intend you to change your opinion nor do I want to take your words offensively.
For your information, I visit Masjid, Gurudwara, Church and temple regularly and read all the literature may be it is quran, Geetha or Bible with same respect.
Please restrain yourself from blaming, that is what leads to being illogical. And for your information, none of the scripts tell logic is way to get god.
Knowledge is not bonded sir, so lets not try to say what we know is the ultimate. I just say that lets learn without being stuck with what we know with this I would stop further argument. If you want to use any type of language you are free to use, may god bless you....


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Lies will not work - 3rd February 2005, 01:05 PM

Dear Shadow,

Now don't go on a lying spree to save your skin. If you had read the Qur-aan or Bible with some respect, you would not have invited God to the maikhaana or associated "human, undesirable and worldly" characteristics to God. I have not said that my knowledge is ultimate. But I will certainly not tolerate illogical statements. You have not responded to my question as to how you want God to join in your "antics" and still call that entity "god". As I understand, "God" whether to you or me, should stand for a superior Being. Can you please explain this contradiction and in the light of that, how could you justify the poem?

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Re: Lies will not work - 3rd February 2005, 01:11 PM

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Now don't go on a lying spree to save your skin. If you had read the Qur-aan or Bible with some respect, you would not have invited God to the maikhaana or associated "human, undesirable and worldly" characteristics to God. I have not said that my knowledge is ultimate. But I will certainly not tolerate illogical statements. You have not responded to my question as to how you want God to join in your "antics" and still call that entity "god". As I understand, "God" whether to you or me, should stand for a superior Being. Can you please explain this contradiction and in the light of that, how could you justify the poem?

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God is no being for me(Neither normal/abnormal/superior), hope you understand omnipresent and omnipotent (This is the reason say god is personal not general). May be I am wrong, but let me say lie is not my way of life since may be life itself is a lie.


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More confusion - 3rd February 2005, 01:41 PM

Dear Shadow,

By your own admission, "your god" is omnipotent and omnipresent. Does that not make him superior to Man? Would you like such a superior and exalted entity to be a part of your "antics"?

Accept your mistake and move on. Otherwise you will continue to be caught in your own web of self-deceit. You are exemplifying confusion by trying to defend your earlier actions.

Hope this hits paydirt.

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Re: More confusion - 3rd February 2005, 02:01 PM

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Dear Shadow,

By your own admission, "your god" is omnipotent and omnipresent. Does that not make him superior to Man? Would you like such a superior and exalted entity to be a part of your "antics"?

Accept your mistake and move on. Otherwise you will continue to be caught in your own web of self-deceit. You are exemplifying confusion by trying to defend your earlier actions.

Hope this hits paydirt.

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Dear Mr Shaukat Khan,
Could a man be omnipresent and omnipotent, are you not bounding by defining it?
If you could agree to this, then isnt it not obvious that eventhough you do not invite, god is with you always?
Provided the case what is wrong is inviting god to where ever I am, Isnt that inevitable too that god is with you no matter where you are and how you are?
Please teach me if you see that i am wrong, I am willing to learn from you or anyone who will teach. But please do not ask me to accept definitions.


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Some More Confusion - 3rd February 2005, 02:14 PM

Dear Shadow,

I think you don't have the reading habit. Did I ever say that Man is omnipotent or omnipresent? As I told you, you are compounding your problems further. You have landed yourself into a soup and are just blubbering your way through it.
Did anyone ever deny that god is omnipresent? Even if god is omnipresent, will you invite him to your drinking bouts or your sex soirees? Take care what you are writing and don't expose yourself further.

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Re: Some More Confusion - 3rd February 2005, 02:24 PM

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Dear Shadow,

I think you don't have the reading habit. Did I ever say that Man is omnipotent or omnipresent? As I told you, you are compounding your problems further. You have landed yourself into a soup and are just blubbering your way through it.
Did anyone ever deny that god is omnipresent? Even if god is omnipresent, will you invite him to your drinking bouts or your sex soirees? Take care what you are writing and don't expose yourself further.

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Dear Mr Shaukat khan,
As per your words you say god is superior to man. I would just tell it god nothing more nothing less an non dual entity.
Well god being omnipresent, do you think he is not there when whatever you do?
If cat closes its eyes while drinking the milk, does that mean that the world could not see?
God is there in you and the other person with whom you are, then what are you complaining about?
If you want to keep god out of you and some places then you say that he is not omnipresent and hence you do not agree to what you say.


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Aaaahhh gosh..! - 3rd February 2005, 02:29 PM

Hii people...
Firstly i would love to tell you meri perchaayi .. you were fabulos with your words.. and explination you have given....!
My shoukat.. Always remember one thing .... if you wear the red color of glasses ... the whole world will be red for you and if i m wearing green color of glasses the whole world will be green for me.....human's will keep insisting to show that they are seeing... They will not spend time to know What others are seeing ...So my. shoukat.... i respect you religion... You have quoted why i haven't mentioned the name of mandir.. but remember masjid is not alone...as i have mentioned gurudwara as well for me we all are son of same god.. and if we are son..we do have rites to invite him anywhere.. and plz avoid giving personal comments like wife and mom.
you got 100% rites to give your opnion but if you will read all these thing with aggracive mind set... You wont be able to learn anything.. issliye tumhare liye khuda kya hai mai nahi jaanta
mere liye mera khuda meri property hai.. he is my love so i can invite him anywhere i want to....!
The essense are there in replly of shadow but i guess you want to argue only not want to understand the moral of poerty...*
And again i m telling you if i will come to explian ....it will go beyond your thoughts ......
I m very close to ghalib sahab
I forget his quote and not getting the right words
But it was like

E kaazi peene de masjid me baith ker
ya phir wo jagah bata,jahaan khuda na ho''

mat pee sharaab ghaalib masjid me baith ker
Ek he botal hai kaheen khuda na maang le,

Poets are beyond religion. you can't become a poet or poerty lover Till you don't have true love for nature.. and once you start loving the nature.. you can't hate anyone as well all are the part of nature.. then everything will be equell to you ...! no religion gaps .....no country gaps...! Just a love
love for everything has been created by nature
Thats the essence .. And you are always welcome in Humari Mehfil ...magar dimaag ko bahar rakh ker aaiye .. ye mehfil he deewano ki hai.'
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Dear Shadow,

I think you have reached the limits of your frustration and are attributing things to me which I have not written at all. Btw, you have not still replied to my earlier question, if god is superior to man (being omnipotent, all-powerful), would you invite such an exalted, superior entity to your worldly antics, like drinking, etc?

Kindly reply to this point. Then we can take this further.

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Re: LOTS MORE CONFUSION - 3rd February 2005, 02:43 PM

Pls read last 2 posts i.e. one from Karan and one from me, you have the answers.

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I think you have reached the limits of your frustration and are attributing things to me which I have not written at all. Btw, you have not still replied to my earlier question, if god is superior to man (being omnipotent, all-powerful), would you invite such an exalted, superior entity to your worldly antics, like drinking, etc?

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hi shaukat khan,
well i was just going through this post since last half an hour and was wondering wat all was going between u n shadow. well buddy i hv no rights to pin point on ones opinion. see u r taking the things in ur own way. try to think about others opinions too. well buddy frankly speaking "GOD IS EVERYWHERE". I still hvnt replied to karan for his this post. but out in this long discussion between u n shadow i wud love to say sumthing to u. hope u dun mind n try to take things positively.

everything is moving,a flux, so dont remain fixed. this is one of the diseases of the human mind:u becum fixed,u lose flexibility- and flexibility is life.look at a child , he is flexible:look at an old man, he has becum inflexible.the more flexible u are,the more alive n fresh n young.the more inflexible u becum...already u are dead.and wat is flexibility? flexibility is to respond to the moment without any preconceived idea:to respond to the moment,not through any preconceived idea-directly,immediately.immediacy is flexibility.u look to the situation,u becum aware of situation,u are sesative to the situation-and then u act.the action comes through the encounter of the situation and u,not from a past mind. plz its a request to u tht dont hurt others feelings. there is nothing wrong in this post. i hope u try to understand wat i meant to say.plz dun take me wrong
   
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JUNGLE MEIN MUNGLE - 3rd February 2005, 03:17 PM

Dear Karan,

So the real culprit has shown up at last! Chief, I agree to some degree of poetic licence but not when it comes down to violating norms of socially acceptable behaviour. Do you mean to say that a poet has a right to talk nonsense about ANY religion and religious symbols and get away with it? Can a poet write slanderous stuff about your family in the name of poetry and get away with it? And Ghalib is not the paradigm for socially acceptable behaviour. So don’t quote him here. He was good with words, but that is not to say that he was good in life. Wordsworth, Keats Shelley wrote a lot of poetry but did not descend to this level.

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Dear M/s Karan, Shadow and Ms Jasleen,

CONFUSION is THY middle name. That explains why you are still blubbering in your own self-created mess, trying to justify nonsense. There is an old jungle saying "If you can't speak sense, speak nonsense". You justify it entirely.

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3rd February 2005, 03:31 PM

Hey!

Karan!

I understand that Poets are beyond religion... but I frankly think.. You shud not have used such words "E khuda tu humse haath mila le,humari tarah do jaam laga le"... This is not done yaar.. You shud avoid it...this is what i think....

Dear Shaukat!

I partially agree with you...but Why r u taking it to Shiva or Temples...

Sir...May it be a temple or a mosque or a church, a gurudwara.... These r places of worship....We shud respect them all... I agree... I also didnt like some part of this shayri.... but i dont think he intended to target a particular religion...Tell me something very frankly.... If here he used 'Bhagwan' instead of 'Khuda'.. wud that have been fine with u...I dont think so...

I dont think ne religion teaches to insult other... We shud resepct all...I agree... Some words of this post were profane...and poet shud keep certain things in mind while writing.....but i am sure this wasnt intentional.... and to use 'Bhagvan' or 'Khuda' in such poetries is not acceptable at all...

Didint mean to hurt nebody.... just wrote what i thought


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dear shaukat ji,
well see i m no saying tht u r wrong or any one else here is wrong. i m just saying tht plz stop criticizing ones feelings. everyone has ones own opinion. if u r free to gv ur suggestions, i think even we hv the same rights. karan has not said bad about any religion, there is nothig as such which hurts any ones feelings for his religion. my dear god is one bt is callen n prayed with different names. he had no intension to hurt any ones religion.plz try to follow wat he meant to say.division creates two things in man:repression and hypocrisy. both are baf ,bad for growth. a man needs to be natural, spotaneous,accepting in all his aspects. the dark side has also to be accepted.it is a side of u, and wen all is accepted,great transformation happens through tht acceptance.then gud n bad join hands;the saint n sinner meet and merge into one.thts wat is meant by becuming integral, and tht integration makes u individual.the word is significant:individual means indivisible.
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dear shaukat ji,
well see i m no saying tht u r wrong or any one else here is wrong. i m just saying tht plz stop criticizing ones feelings. everyone has ones own opinion. if u r free to gv ur suggestions, i think even we hv the same rights. karan has not said bad about any religion, there is nothig as such which hurts any ones feelings for his religion. my dear god is one bt is callen n prayed with different names. he had no intension to hurt any ones religion.plz try to follow wat he meant to say.division creates two things in man:repression and hypocrisy. both are baf ,bad for growth. a man needs to be natural, spotaneous,accepting in all his aspects. the dark side has also to be accepted.it is a side of u, and wen all is accepted,great transformation happens through tht acceptance.then gud n bad join hands;the saint n sinner meet and merge into one.thts wat is meant by becuming integral, and tht integration makes u individual.the word is significant:individual means indivisible.
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Re: UNLIMITED CONFUSION - 3rd February 2005, 03:57 PM

Dear Mr. Shaukat Khan,
Please teach me what is wrong in below words,
If you want to keep god out of you and some places then you say that he is not omnipresent and hence you do not agree to what you say.

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CONFUSION is THY middle name. That explains why you are still blubbering in your own self-created mess, trying to justify nonsense. There is an old jungle saying "If you can't speak sense, speak nonsense". You justify it entirely.

BTW, did you chk your IQ recently?

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Did you chk your IQ recently? Please do it whereupon you will soon be rushing to join the Cretins Anonymous Club!

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Uffffff ye jhagde - 3rd February 2005, 06:36 PM

Hiiii Shoukat and pulkit
So many intelligent people are writing here... what ever i could say i guess shadow has explained everything...
jasleen even tryed more but i guess shoukat Bhai ....You are bit suppirior person.. waise bhee humare paas Tumhe samjhane jitna mind nahi hai yaar....Ye dewaano ki mehfil hai.. aap deewane hain to he aaiye... i wont write many explinations but tell me ..if i have done something wrong why don't you leave it to me and god? i m inviting him, if i made a mistake let him punish me, don't you think he is strong enough to do that? do he need your words and your arguments? to realize what is wrong and what isn't...Pulkit every Person have his own mintality
I m definatly not gonna ask u to change your opnion but remember when you say god is everywhere ... Then just stop talking about limitations...because If that is right.. Then what ever we are doing is just because of his wish...!This is i m quoting about islam....
Na mai jaat ka hindu houn, na mai jaat ka muslim houn,Sikh tum bhee mujhse umeed na rakhna , isaai bhai mujhe maaf ker dena
mai to jaat se shayar houn mera kaam muhobbat hai
Mai hindustani houn, mera naam muhobbat hai....!

Stop fighting and making arguments ....! and shoukat you too...next time i want you to smile ...!
aree yaar gunaah kiye hain to dojak me chale jayenge
aap dil kyun dukhate ho.. Apni zindgi choose kerne ka haqe bhee nahi humko(*____*) come on man now smile.. you have already taken a lot out of jasleen and meri perchaai
There is one more kalaam of mine called 'hijda'

Dabe lafzon me kabhee humne ye suna thaa
Kissi jamaane me ishq he khuda thaa
Raha magar wo bayaan hijda
ye jism hindu, or jaan hijda

dabaa hoga yaheen kaheen shayri.com me khair,Ghalib sahab ke liye kuch na kaho janaab.. he was the best poet, and Not we indians But pakistani's respects him allot ....and still if you want read him for more.... You will come to know the diffrence in between poet and a religious man.
And my words.. A true poet is a true religious man,either you talk about naanak... kabeer,bullashah,Ghalib
to become a religious man.. you will have to get above from all these things...see the world eqully ....tera hona bhee ghazab hai mera hona bhee ghazab hai,ek jaise hain hum per phir do hain,maamla ye ajab hai tera hona bhee ghazab hai mera hona bhee ghazab hai

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Karan!

Dost aapne jo kaha sahi kaha...As u said Every person has his own opinion.. I just passed it on.... I am also not here to fight buddy.. kucch galat laga thha aapko bata diya...

Tumhara jawaab bhi accha laga....

Na mai jaat ka hindu houn, na mai jaat ka muslim houn,Sikh tum bhee mujhse umeed na rakhna , isaai bhai mujhe maaf ker dena
mai to jaat se shayar houn mera kaam muhobbat hai
Mai hindustani houn, mera naam muhobbat hai....!


Main bhi yahi kehna chahta hoon.... Mazhab nahi sikhata aapas me bair karna....

I never fought.. neither with shaukat nor with u.... We r here to share our emotions.. not to fight.... Bas itna kahoonga... ke humen dhyaan rakhna chahiye ke jaane-anjaane hum kisis ke feelings hurt naa kar rahe hon...

And i know...u nevr wrote it to hurt nebody.... Hope veryone understands


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unacceptable explanation - 3rd February 2005, 07:05 PM

Dear Karan,

Well, I will not deny you the right to have your own private opinion on anything, as long as it is kept private. This is not a private forum.. it is accessed by all and sundry and the posts should conform to socially acceptable norms. As I have said earlier also, poetic licence cannot be stretched to absurd limits. What you have posted here would invite punitive action under our laws, don't you agree? So just take care. God is not something/someone to be played around with, whether in Islam or any other religion. So your arguments carry no meaning. A shayar cannot write slander/blasphemy and take refuge under poetic licence.

Anyways, whether you follow any religion or not is not my concern. I can only invite you to the good path as God wants me to do. Rest is up to you.

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An invitation is accepted - 3rd February 2005, 07:45 PM

shoukat miya.....
Phir wahi baaten aapki.. ab kya jawaab den. thak gaye hain keh keh ker..
Chaliye aap na samajhiye... ye bhee aapki adaa hai.
Khair What i said.. ....
Leave all up to me and god brother.. why are you worried?
We got a personal relationship......If i made a mistake,let god punish me brother... let him decide what is right and what is wrong.' why are you worried... You are saying its dark night and i m saying its bright sunny day and telling you the truth ..argument can never achive the destination...You will keep saying what you can see and i will keep repeating what i m seeing....! to visulise what i m seeing you will have to use my eyes' which you are not gonna do.' so take it easy brother.. zindgi me her cheez humare mutabiq ho ye mumkin nahi.. kyunki zindgi humare mutabiq nahi.
Jo accha lage..uttha lo or jo bura lage chodh do....duniya me her cheez acchi lage aapko ye bhee mumkin nahi.
Khair again i m telling you ....i post my poertys here because i m told to do so, many people want me to write here ...few wait for these poertys ,Otherwise yet i don't have any intrest in globalising my poertys as i got diffrent plans for them...But here i got so much of love .. near about my 450 posts are here.. and you read all of those and may find the relationship in between me and poerty lover's.
WHy i write
'Mai or samander do gehre khwaab khuda ke'
read this line few more times to Get the essence
In the end you may find the essence of the whole arguement '
if you wont be able to do so.. then still leave it here and lets forget the arguement.
The repllys you've written to shadow was not good atall
jagjeet singh's very melodious ghazal...

jab kissi se koi gila rakhna
saamne apne aaina rakhna
ghar ki taabir chaahe jaise ho
issme rone ki kuch jagah rakhna

youn ujaalon se vaasta rakhna
Shamma ke paas he hawaa rakhna



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masjiden hain namajiyon ke liye
Tum apne dil me he khuda rakhna
Saamne apne aaina rakhna

karan chaand ke shahar se aaye hain,
issliye sitaaron ki perwaah nahi kerta
ya to wo khud ki perwaah kerta hai
ya phir wo khuda khuda kerta hai,

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TO EACH HIS OWN - 4th February 2005, 10:55 AM

Dear Karan

My intention in this whole affair was to request you to refrain from blasphemy, be it against any religion... but I guess I failed. I now leave you to wallow in your own swamp of confusion and misplaced self-righteousness. At least God will not hold me at fault for not having tried.

Just in case you have second thoughts on the whole issue, send a PM to me. I retain the right to read and pass comments/praise your other works on this forum.

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